Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, who has been privy to and has discussed in detail all of the relevant intelligence with special counsel John Durham, said that while so far the investigation has resulted in only a trickle of indictments and actions, that’s about to change.
Based on documents that “are not yet declassified,” he predicts the trickle will turn to a deluge and, as The Washington Examiner put it, the inquiry will be “blown wide open.”
The three-term congressman from Texas made the remarks during an interview with conservative podcast host Charlie Kirk which aired last week.
Kirk began by asking whom Durham is targeting? Although Ratcliffe did not name Hillary Clinton herself, he replied that the collusion involves members of her campaign, the DNC, Christopher Steele, “to even folks within the FBI who perpetuated what they knew to be a false narrative for some period of time.”
As a member of Congress, he said he’d been “at the tip of the spear” of the Democrats’ allegations against then-President Trump. When Ratcliffe became the DNI, he asked to see “everything we’ve got” on this “so-called Russian collusion.”
The documents proved that “there was no Russian collusion, but that there was fake Russian collusion.”
“We had collected good intelligence indicating who was involved in the origins of the Russiagate hoax. … It was the Hillary Clinton campaign that had started these fake Russian allegations and that was incorporated in the CIA Director John Brennan’s notes.”
Ratcliffe had declassified those notes and shared a great deal of information with Durham to “allow him to get to the truth.”
Former Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann, whom Durham indicted in September for lying to the FBI, is just one of many people involved in what he characterized as a “hoax perpetrated upon the American people.”
“I expect there to be a lot more indictments to be forthcoming from John Durham besides the ones that have trickled out so far based upon documents, many of which are still not yet declassified.”
Kirk asked Ratcliffe why he thought that five former Clinton campaign staffers had invoked the Fifth Amendment.
Ratcliffe explained that collusion cases are often difficult to prove. Some may feel, “Why help the prosecutor? … The more I talk, the more trouble I get into.”
“But there are other folks, Charlie, that very clearly have exercised their Fifth Amendment rights because their prior testimony jeopardizes them.” He cited former high-ranking DOJ official Bruce Orr, who testified “under oath to me” that he’d met with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson in August 2016, who had given him a thumb drive that contained “aspects of the Steele Dossier.”
(Note: Simpson’s opposition research firm had been commissioned by former Perkins, Coie partner Marc Elias, who was working on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee (which Clinton essentially controlled after she had bailed them out financially), to produce the infamous dossier. It’s also noteworthy that Bruce Orr’s wife, Nellie Orr, had been hired by Simpson to help dig up dirt on then-candidate Donald Trump and his family.)
Simpson, Ratcliffe said, testified before the House Intelligence Committee that he hadn’t met Orr “until sometime after the election.”
“Very clearly, two people are giving different testimony under oath. One of them, only one of them, can be telling the truth about that and one of them obviously has misled federal investigators and committed a crime.”
Kirk brought up “insiders with top security clearances” (a reference to tech executive Rodney Joffe), “accessed the White House computers, looking for dirt on Trump, and then distributed that information among Hillary Clinton surrogates” who did not have security clearances. “Have we ever seen anything like this?”
“Disclosure of highly sensitive, classified information is a crime,” Ratcliffe confirmed. He provided a lengthy explanation of how classified information should be handled and how these individuals deviated from that protocol.
“But it’s “much larger” than ever that,” he told Kirk. “The coordinated effort here that took place in 2016 was wide and broad. … And “involved folks in the Clinton campaign, the DNC, elected officials, media officials … intelligence community officials and on down the line. I’m not saying that every single one of those folks have criminal liability or exposure, I’m just saying this was a very coordinated effort. And the more and more the public finds out about some of the things that I’ve seen that remain classified, they’ll be more and more appalled by the efforts in 2016.”
“You said you expect many more indictments based on documents not yet declassified,” Kirk noted. He asked if the word “coup” would apply. He wanted to know how “big” this was.
“It was a coordinated political effort … But, at the end of the day, it was to influence the outcome of a presidential election.”
The two discussed why it’s important to hold the perpetrators of the Russia hoax accountable. The principal reason is to prevent this from happening again.
As it did in the 2020 election. By many of the same people who were involved in the 2016 Russian collusion hoax.
The day after The New York Post broke the bombshell news about Hunter Biden’s laptop just weeks ahead of the 2020 election, Ratcliffe said, House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff, a Democrat, came out and said the story was all Russian disinformation intended to reelect President Trump. Additionally, 51 former high-ranking members of the U.S. intelligence community, including former CIA Director John Brennan and former DNI James Clapper, signed an op-ed which said the story had all the hallmarks of “Russian disinformation.” It was a full-court press.
Then-DNI Ratcliffe, who was privy to the actual intelligence, went on the record with Fox News to negate that premise.
Unfortunately, his words were drowned out by the overwhelming power of Big Tech, the legacy media and the entire Democratic machine, all working together, to suppress and/or discredit the story.
His appeal was in vain. It was too late. The damage had been done.
But Ratcliffe was right then. And he’s right now.
A previous version of this article was published on The Western Journal.
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